1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,360 [♪ Song in Gisborneieri plays.) 2 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:37,140 Good evening. Tonight, a woman tells us of the vision that brought her back from the 3 00:00:37,140 --> 00:00:42,560 brink of death. But first, the story of a man whose bizarre predictions went unheeded 4 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:47,880 until they started to come true. The art of dousing has long been recognised as a paranormal 5 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:53,200 talent, but the tools of the dowser, the bent wire, the pendulum, are not likely to impress 6 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,920 the sceptical. Tonight, we reconstruct one of the most extraordinary achievements in 7 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:05,520 the long history of dousing. It may even change a few minds. 8 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:12,000 One night in the winter of 1981, two men left Stuart's store in Lake George, New York State. 9 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,800 They were on what appeared to be a routine trip to buy some milk, but on the short journey 10 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,680 home, Jack Montgomery and Tom Parks vanished. 11 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:26,840 We learned about the disappearance on February 15th of 1981 at 6.30 in the morning from the 12 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,280 sister Patricia Montgomery. We had no leads whatsoever. Absolutely nothing. We didn't 13 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:37,400 know where these fellas were. 14 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,240 A full-scale search was launched, which continued into the spring, but no sign was found of 15 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:48,040 the men or their truck. And then the story took an unusual turn. The Forrest Rangers 16 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,240 decided to call on the help of a local dowser, Ted Kaufman. 17 00:01:52,240 --> 00:02:00,200 Ted has helped me in the past in locating lost persons. We looked for a woman who had Alzheimer's 18 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:07,960 disease, wandered from an RV campsite into a logging area, was lost for three days through 19 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:14,320 miserable weather. Ted was called in on the third day and was instrumental in pinpointing 20 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:20,920 where she watched. Ted Kaufman has been dowsing for over 21 years. Whether it's for water 21 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:25,720 or a lost pet, he's always on hand to answer appeals from his home in the Adirondacks in 22 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:31,400 upper New York State. Well, shall we say, a simple request is help me find my dog he's 23 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:39,000 missing or she's missing. Another type of request is I lost my passport. How can you 24 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:48,120 help me find it? And can you? In the slogan of the dowsing society, indigo felix, that's 25 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:56,560 my best Latin, it says the fruitful search. Now that means that if you want to, you can 26 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:03,600 search for anything. Ted spends much of his time dowsing for water using a divining rod. 27 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,920 One beneficiary was the local ski center at Gore Mountain. It had faced financial ruin 28 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:14,120 when it discovered its water supply was being poisoned by a family of beavers. Beaver had 29 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:20,080 contaminated the water with a waterborne disease known as Giardia, only given by the beaver. 30 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,600 So we had to find a new source or close the ski area down. Desperate to find a new water 31 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:29,680 supply, the manager of the center hedged his bets. He brought in the state engineers, but 32 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,560 he also gave Ted Kaufman a call. We drilled where the geological engineer from the state 33 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,480 said to, and we ended up with a mess. We all brackish yellowish water that wasn't fit for 34 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:46,220 human consumption. We drilled where Ted said to, we've got 82 gallons a minute of beautiful 35 00:03:46,220 --> 00:03:50,280 water and it's crystal clear. You'll never need to chlorinate it or whatever. It's beautiful. 36 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,240 But how did he do it? How could one man with a stick outsmart an engineer with a drilling 37 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,160 rig? Ted claims it's all in the wrists and a very simple physical reaction. 38 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:08,520 One holds a stick, which is in the shape of a Y like this in each of the two hands. As 39 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:15,600 one walks over the water source, the stick goes down and there's a reason for it. Water 40 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:22,720 has minerals in it. The earth has minerals in it. And in physics, it says that if two 41 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,640 unlike minerals meet, they cause a reaction. 42 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Dousing with a rod for water is one thing. It's an age old technique that has gained 43 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:36,000 credibility in mainstream science, but Ted Kaufman goes much further. He claims to be 44 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:42,240 able to map dows, to search for objects hundreds of miles away using a pendulum and a survey 45 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:49,320 map. To do map dowsing, one must clear the mind completely and think of nothing else 46 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:56,120 but what you're doing. You ask questions that can be answered by the pendulum swing. 47 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:04,800 Clockwise for yes, counterclockwise for no. It's really not that incredible. Map dowsing 48 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,720 sounds bizarre, but does it work? Ted Kaufman's greatest test would come in the spring of 49 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:16,160 1981 and hunt for the missing men from Lake George. In front of a bemused forest ranger, 50 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,680 Harry the King, the dowser began his search. All right, let's see what we come up with. 51 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,320 Are they alive? 52 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:28,920 No. 53 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,800 Are they in the U.S.? 54 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:35,520 Yes. 55 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:42,040 You're impressed because you see the reaction of the thumb bob going in one direction or 56 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:48,520 another. And all the time you're wondering, you know, how is he doing this? Is this for 57 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:49,520 real? 58 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,480 Are they in the Lake George area? 59 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:55,360 Yes. 60 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,280 Ted now knew the men were close by. His next stop was Lake George police station. 61 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,280 Now watch this carefully. First, I'll sweep the vertical. 62 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:14,160 I want a positive signal that the leading edge is over the location. 63 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,160 Ah, draw the line. 64 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,160 Now the horizontal. 65 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,160 Another line, please. 66 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:45,160 That's it. It's there. 67 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:51,160 What, there? But that's the middle of the lake. You must be down by the shoreline near the village or something. 68 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,160 No, that's the location, right in the middle of Lake George. 69 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:03,160 When we got done, I just thought he was a little bit of a whack. And I really, I didn't believe everything he was telling me. We're dealing evidence. 70 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,160 And I wouldn't order a search for that. I just wouldn't order. 71 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,160 For your trouble. 72 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,160 By the time I reached the door, I could hear laughter. 73 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:28,160 Well, I couldn't blame for laughing. I mean, it's, it's most unusual mapped out thing. And for somebody who's never seen it before, it can be a tickler. 74 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:34,160 But they were having their opinion and I had mine. 75 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,160 If Ted was to be believed, the missing men and their truck were at the bottom of Lake George. 76 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:52,160 In February when they disappeared, Lake George was frozen over. Perhaps they'd try to drive across it. It looked as if the mystery might never be solved. 77 00:07:53,160 --> 00:08:04,160 Tragedy is struck again on Lake George. Last night, the body of Jack Montgomery, missing since February this year, was found by the shoreline. 78 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:10,160 On April the second, three months after the disappearance, the body of Jack Montgomery surfaced in Lake George. 79 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,160 It was found barely a mile away from the Dousers map position. The police were staggered. 80 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:26,160 The lake is 32 miles long and in portions, a mile and a half wide to two miles. And he picks out a location out of the map. 81 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:33,160 And the body surfaces within half a mile, I'd say about a half a mile, is amazing. 82 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,160 Gentlemen, a plan of action. Bob, you'll be secondary diver. Jim, you'll be secondary diver. 83 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,160 Guys, it's a blue pickup truck we're looking for. 84 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:48,160 Impressed by the accuracy of Ted's location, the police asked him to douse again for the missing truck, but this time on the lake. 85 00:08:54,160 --> 00:09:03,160 On the 6th of June 1981, he joined Ed Littler on board a police motor launch. It would be one of the most extraordinary days in the policeman's long career. 86 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,160 We're getting a little closer. Slow down. 87 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,160 He's it up a little bit. Just do what he says. 88 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,160 We were approaching the area. I began to get a signal stronger and stronger. 89 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:23,160 I'm starting to get a big pull. Go left. Go left. 90 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,160 Now a little to the right. 91 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,160 Stop! 92 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,160 Greg, throw the anchor over now! 93 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,160 Okay guys, go take a look. 94 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,160 Sir, I think I might have hit something. 95 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:52,160 Ed Littler will never forget the next moment for the rest of his life. 96 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,160 Chief, we've got it! It's a blue forward pickup. 97 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:03,160 I said to myself, wow. And I just couldn't believe that the anchor went into the back of the pickup truck. 98 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,160 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 99 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,160 I'm sorry. 100 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,160 I'm sorry. 101 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,160 I'm sorry. 102 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,160 I'm sorry. 103 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,160 I'm sorry. 104 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,160 I'm sorry. 105 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,160 I'm sorry. 106 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:24,160 I can't believe that the anchor went into the back of the pickup truck. It was just amazing. 107 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,160 But could it have been just a lucky guess? 108 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,160 I really don't think so. I watched it happen right from the start to the finish. 109 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,160 He drops an anchor in the back of his pickup truck in 48 foot of water. 110 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,160 Lake is 32 miles long, sometimes 2 miles wide. 111 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,160 He picks this out. I think it's pretty amazing and I watched it happen. 112 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:50,160 The truck had been found by an old man armed only with a stick and a pendulum. 113 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:59,160 Ted Kaufman's discovery made headline news and even the Douser himself admits to a sense of wonder when he hears the story retold. 114 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:06,160 When I heard this on television, I walked into the bathroom because it was right in the house. 115 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,160 The man looked in the mirror and I said, who me? 116 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,160 And that's just God's truth. 117 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:21,160 The extent of Ted Kaufman's achievement was brought home to us when we filmed that reconstruction. 118 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:28,160 We had to make several attempts before we managed to drop the anchor into the back of the truck and we knew exactly where it was. 119 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:42,160 Do you feel you have a guardian angel, someone to watch over you? 120 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:49,160 Well, it's an appealing thought but unlikely to be put to the ultimate test unless your life was in danger. 121 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,160 Tonight we tell the story of Jackie Greaves who had a classic near-death experience, 122 00:11:54,160 --> 00:12:01,160 one that's happened to thousands of people, the visions, the distant light, the sense of being pulled back to this life. 123 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,160 But in Jackie's case there was something more. There's no doubt that she's lucky to be alive. 124 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:13,160 What is in doubt is precisely what happened to her as she hung between life and death. 125 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,160 The Cairngorn Mountains in Scotland. 126 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,160 Climbers come from around the world to test themselves here. 127 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:26,160 Conditions can be as bad as the Arctic and the notorious weather changes in a matter of seconds. 128 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:34,160 On the 13th of February 1994, Jackie Greaves and her two friends were attempting to climb Derry Cairngorn, 129 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:40,160 one of the highest peaks in Scotland. Between them they had nearly 50 years of climbing experience. 130 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:46,160 The weather had been fine when they set out but by the afternoon it had deteriorated dramatically. 131 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Jackie and her companions weren't roped together. They began to lose touch with each other. 132 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,160 All three of them were about to walk right off the mountain. 133 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:04,160 We were walking along the ridge and there was a whiteout and I couldn't see sight of the others. I just fell. 134 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:16,160 I just rolled and rolled. I was just trying to stop myself with me and my axe. 135 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:24,160 The last time I jammed my axe in and I stopped, my axe flew out of my hand, my crampons flew off my bag. 136 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:32,160 That's where I was laying. I lay there and lay there and decided I got so cold I got my survival bag out. 137 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:37,160 I got inside it which wasn't easy. The gales were blowing round me. 138 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:43,160 I lay there waiting, hoping for some help. I didn't like crawling down them because I didn't know what was below me. 139 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,160 There was rocks all around me and rocks below me. 140 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Jackie had survived but was stuck on a ledge. She had no way of knowing if her companions had lived. 141 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,160 She was lost and alone on an unforgiving mountain. 142 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:02,160 Sergeant Graham Gibb heads the Braemar Mountain Rescue Team. He'd hoped that no one would be out that day. 143 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:09,160 The weather forecast was very, very cold. We had quite strong winds with very low temperatures. 144 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:14,160 It would have been very unpleasant for anyone lying out in the mountain or wondering about lost. 145 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:20,160 At about 7 o'clock we got the call that the climber was missing out in the Cairngorms. 146 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,160 The call had come in from a mountain hut. 147 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,160 Hello, Braemar Mountain Rescue Centre. 148 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:34,160 Sergeant Gibb's team immediately went to pick up the climber and started the search for the other two missing climbers. 149 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,160 At this stage there was nothing to suggest that the search would take them very long. 150 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:45,160 We set off in vehicles and on the way up to Dairy Lodge we came across a second member of the party. 151 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:50,160 By the time we got back up to Dairy Lodge with the team members there was no sign of Jackie Greaves. 152 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,160 When I was laying on the slope I felt very, very, very cold and the darkness came. 153 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,160 And I thought, how long are we going to be laying here before some help comes? 154 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,160 At night the temperatures can plummet to minus 30 degrees centigrade. 155 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:09,160 Sergeant Gibb mobilized the rescue team in an all out bid to get Jackie off the mountain. 156 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:14,160 We had quite a number of lights, flares and during the search we would be able to see quite well. 157 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,160 At the time we set off we were quite confident that we would find her that evening. 158 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,160 I saw a snake of lights coming in through the valley. 159 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,160 I whistled and whistled but of course they wouldn't hear me with the gales. 160 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,160 It was an agonizing moment for Jackie. 161 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,160 Watching as the searchers stayed out of reach. 162 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,160 What she didn't know was that disorientated by the weather her companions 163 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,160 are given the wrong information to the rescuers. 164 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,160 Unknown to us at that point we were actually searching on the wrong mountain. 165 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,160 For Graham Gibb the night brought more worries. 166 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,160 His rescue teams were putting themselves in danger. 167 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:54,160 Having been up there myself that night and experienced the conditions I was quite concerned for them. 168 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,160 For Jackie it could have been the last night of her life 169 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:04,160 but she found the inspiration to stay alive from the conviction that something or somebody was watching over her. 170 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,160 All the time I was lay there from falling there was a light above me. 171 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,160 It just kept me going all through the night it just kept me there. 172 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,160 I felt somebody was there with me all the time. 173 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:20,160 So of course I wasn't afraid and then next morning came and it seemed to just fade away. 174 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,160 I still don't know what it was. 175 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:31,160 Next morning came and I was so cold it was either lie there and die or climb down. 176 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,160 So I thought well I take the chance and climb down. 177 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:40,160 So I took the gloves off and came down with the fingertips to get a grip onto the ice. 178 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:46,160 As I got further down I started walking and wondering but by then I was exhausted. 179 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,160 Really exhausted. 180 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,160 Jackie had survived the night just. 181 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:57,160 But in her desperate attempt to get off the mountain she became engulfed in a whiteout and was stumbling into more danger. 182 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:02,160 Everything goes quite. The ground is quite, the sky is quite and you can't see the edge. 183 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,160 You could be walking along, you could think your next food step was going to land on solid ground 184 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,160 and it doesn't it lands in the middle. 185 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,160 There's just nothing to tell what is ground and what is sky. 186 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:18,160 Jackie was now exhausted and delirious but again something intervened to save her. 187 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:27,160 I was walking along partly blind, could hardly see and a barrier dropped, a railway crossing barrier dropped in front of me. 188 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:32,160 I thought you know this is going to be a railway station and there would be a phone that could ring for help. 189 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:37,160 I leaned out to touch it and it disappeared and there was a big hole underneath it. 190 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,160 Turn around to me right and started walking again and another barrier dropped down. 191 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,160 I reached out to touch that and there was another hole. 192 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,160 So I turned around and went the other way. 193 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,160 Obviously somebody was telling me the right way to go. 194 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,160 Jackie knew these visions had kept her alive but only until now. 195 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,160 As 90 mile an hour winds raged the temperature dropped to nearly minus 40. 196 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:09,160 The light was fading and she knew if she stopped she would die but she had no energy left. 197 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:14,160 I thought I'm not going to get any further now, I'm just going to lie down here. 198 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,160 Meanwhile the search intensified, over 70 people were out looking for Jackie. 199 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:25,160 We'll be at the summit of Derrick here in Gorm in about half an hour and I'll call you back then. 200 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,160 No trace of missing person so far. 201 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,160 Roger Graham we've got our way to the north end of Corrie Spute and it's a negative result over. 202 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:37,160 The weather closed in again, Jackie was near to death. 203 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,160 What she was about to experience was common to many people on the verge of death. 204 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:47,160 Was it the last imaginings of a dying mind starved of oxygen or was it something else? 205 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,160 I seemed to be drifting, drifting, it was darkness. 206 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,160 And then I was walking all peaceful through a beautiful land. 207 00:18:54,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Beautiful flowers, trees, blue skies, blue bridges, it was wonderful. 208 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:10,160 And I felt so relaxed and away from all the pain and the cold and the suffering. 209 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,160 The search was called off. 210 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:20,160 I saw little point in risking people's lives out there in the dark so I called the teams back late that evening. 211 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:28,160 I was obviously very concerned, if she was lying out in the open I feared that she may have succumbed to the weather and had perished. 212 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,160 I drifted back into the snow again but I seemed to have a lot more energy and I was able to carry on. 213 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:41,160 So I crawled and crawled and suddenly I decided I'm going to build a snow hole and get inside it. 214 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,160 It was very hard work because my fingers were stiff and my body was stiff and I was shivering. 215 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,160 So I dug frantically to get in it quickly. 216 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:55,160 I knew I had to stay awake all night because I knew if I had gone to sleep I wouldn't wake up again. 217 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:03,160 By the time we got to the start of the third day I decided to give her a last chance of being rescued alive. 218 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,160 I had to get as many people out on the hill as possible. 219 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:15,160 That morning there were five mountain rescue teams, REF helicopters and highly trained certain rescued dogs scouring the peaks and valleys. 220 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,160 But hopes were fading for her chances. 221 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:24,160 Projected to survive the two nights out I was doubtful if she had. I felt it should have been dead in the morning. 222 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,160 One morning came and I felt I was on the brink of death. 223 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,160 Suddenly I saw a light and it lit up a view in the mountains. 224 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,160 Quickly put the compass onto it and that was the right way down. 225 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:44,160 I saw something moving ahead of us but it was only a slight glimpse and I almost dismissed it. 226 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:52,160 At first we weren't even sure it was Jackie. We'd identified the colour of her jacket and that must be her. 227 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,160 As we dropped into the valley I saw this dog and the dog started licking me and barking at me. 228 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,160 As I was about to say I found you now. 229 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,160 To be perfectly honest we wouldn't expect to find a wandering around. We didn't expect to find her alive. 230 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:19,160 Looking back on the whole thing somebody was guiding me right through. I don't know what it was but without it I wouldn't have got through. 231 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,160 For the professionals of the mountain rescue teams Jackie's survival is extraordinary. 232 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,160 But explicable. 233 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,160 The weather that was in the Cairngorms like three days was some of the worst that you could encounter. 234 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,160 For someone to survive in these sort of conditions they've got to have certain qualities. 235 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:42,160 Fitness, a will to survive, a very strong character. And obviously she had all these qualities. 236 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,160 Jackie herself is convinced she survived because she was not a bad person. 237 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:55,160 I never felt alone at all. There was always somebody there. There was a sense of somebody there showing me the way to go and what to do and not to be afraid. 238 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,160 And I'm sure without that I would never have got through. 239 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,160 The idea of spiritual guardians is not confined to the Christian spirit. 240 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,160 It's not about the spiritual spirit. 241 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,160 It's about the spiritual spirit. 242 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,160 The idea of spiritual guardians is not confined to the Christian religion. 243 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,160 The philosopher Socrates believed he had a guardian angel and the Romans coined a special word for them. 244 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,160 Genius. Although the meaning has changed down the centuries. 245 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,160 In America interest in angels is so great that special clubs are springing up. 246 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,160 The Angel Collector's Club even has its own magazine. It's called Halo. 247 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,160 I'll be back next week with more stories that are strange but true. 248 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,160 Good night.